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Post by Tiger505 on Jan 10, 2009 5:10:49 GMT -5
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Post by scoutsout on Jan 10, 2009 23:17:11 GMT -5
I mean, come on, how many people, outside of forced infantry platoons, play the generic, common from WWII units anyway? I do. Alan does. Jubelt does. Don does. |
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Post by scoutsout on Jan 10, 2009 23:23:32 GMT -5
OK I have been trying to build a non super list a normal Grenadier force with nothing special in it.   It isnt working. I try to use Mk Ivs and my brain bleeds because those where not in the Infantry Yes they were...these ran in support of Panzergrenadier forces all the time...and PG's in trucks without the trucks...that's called infantry so I use Stugs and my brain bleeds more because not all units had them attached. This is so bogus I have to laugh. Because not all units had them, no units can use them? Apply that logic to the far less common Mark VI's and lo and behold...you can't use them either! I try to do SS PzGrens with Panthers and I cry because I feel the brittle nature of the army. Ayep...welcome to the feel of an American or Brit Tank company... I am litterly ready to burn a book in frustration trying to come up with something I can play that for once will be seen as non cheesy or non rare. In WWII the Germans lost because they didnt have the good equpitment in large enough numbers to make a differance. In FOW I feel that lack every time I stop myself from useing a unit I feel works. Then quit trying...Warren..I keep telling you...if you don't enjoy the experience of playing...with whatever army you happen to get stuck with...then you shouldn't try to play that way. In other words, if every army HAS to have an equal chance to win for you to have fun...then don't try anything new. Never run a substandard piece just to see what you can do with it. Don't..because it won't be fun for you. Remember...the fun for you isn't in the win...it's in beating the other person. I will keep trying but I must admit I have gotten quiet a few headaches trying to vannilla an army out. |
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Post by threadhead on Jan 11, 2009 15:58:35 GMT -5
Not all, but I am sure most had Stugs attached. In fact, Stugs were produced in about the same numbers as Panthers and Mark IVs (all around 8,000 each, more or less). There were many independent Army Stug battalions that were sent to Corp level and then allocated as needed. I would think that Stugs were probably more common supporting Grenadiers than tank platoons - but the Germans Kampgrouped and mixed equipment - so you might see tanks and Stugs. In fact, I run a list of Panthers and Stugs and some tell me that is not historical - but there was a Panzer Division that had more Stug III's than Panthers and more Panthers than Mark IV's - so the list, as a company size Kampgroup, is historically accurate. I like to play around with my lists. I am now playing a Grenadier list, 78th Strum will probably be next, then maybe a mech Infantry, then at some point - back to US. Point is, do not get too wrapped up in what every German Division had, they were formed in waves and differed between years. TOE lists are easier for allied units - but even here there are examples that show that the exception was the rule. There were US infantry divisions that had both organic Tank and Tank Destroyer/anti tank battalions, and some infantry divisions had entire tank division combat commands attached. Throw the Stugs in and see how you like em..... Larry |
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